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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:05 pm 
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Wow! That's a very interesting theory, with the lame duck president...

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:11 pm 
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It's only a theory. :)


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:14 pm 
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I think it's pretty much true people do not like George Bush. It's one of the reasons why McCain is doing so poorly. The other reason is McCain shot himself in the foot with Palin. He thought he was throwing the entire "not qualified for office" thing into Obama's face...he didn't think Obama would come out and say Palin wasn't qualified for office. But Obama did anyway.

Obama depended on the fact that if he, as a candidate, says something his supporters will believe it. So despite his thin resume he came right out and said Palin isn't qualified and he is.

Then the stuff about Palin getting her brother in law fired and getting her daughter's airfare paid for by Alaska came out..things McCain should have checked out but didn't.

Plus McCain figured Palin would get the Hillary voters. But Hillary and Palin are miles apart on issues, so the Hillary voters won't go with Palin.

In retrospect McCain should have picked a governor who was more experienced or a Senator who had a lot of experience as well but younger than McCain. They he could have turned this around.

As for how Obama's going to do as President, he plans on spending a lot more money...even if he wraps the War up, he's still going to increase the debt. Anytime a President goes for big spending it has a negative effect on the economy. I doubt Obama's going to see it this way, however. He's established himself as the "redistrubute the wealth" guy as well, which means business is going to suffer under Obama.

I see the US going back to the Jimmy Carter years, with double didget inflantion, high unemployment and a big recession.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:31 pm 
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The Palin appointment was a very thinly veiled short term knee jerk reaction. It worked, for two days.

The tide is anti Bush, regardless of reason. The best thing the Republicans can do, is wade the next four years out, and re-asses what they electably stand for.

Something very similar has happened here in the UK with our conservative party.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:32 pm 
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Loki wrote:
I think it's pretty much true people do not like George Bush. It's one of the reasons why McCain is doing so poorly. The other reason is McCain shot himself in the foot with Palin. He thought he was throwing the entire "not qualified for office" thing into Obama's face...he didn't think Obama would come out and say Palin wasn't qualified for office. But Obama did anyway.

Obama depended on the fact that if he, as a candidate, says something his supporters will believe it. So despite his thin resume he came right out and said Palin isn't qualified and he is.

Then the stuff about Palin getting her brother in law fired and getting her daughter's airfare paid for by Alaska came out..things McCain should have checked out but didn't.

Plus McCain figured Palin would get the Hillary voters. But Hillary and Palin are miles apart on issues, so the Hillary voters won't go with Palin.

In retrospect McCain should have picked a governor who was more experienced or a Senator who had a lot of experience as well but younger than McCain. They he could have turned this around.

As for how Obama's going to do as President, he plans on spending a lot more money...even if he wraps the War up, he's still going to increase the debt. Anytime a President goes for big spending it has a negative effect on the economy. I doubt Obama's going to see it this way, however. He's established himself as the "redistrubute the wealth" guy as well, which means business is going to suffer under Obama.

I see the US going back to the Jimmy Carter years, with double didget inflantion, high unemployment and a big recession.


1)Yes...

2)Yes...

3)Yes...

4)Yes...

5)Huckabee?

6)In this moment Bush and the ex worshippers of the Cult of Market God already explained that there is no alternative to the statal intervention in economics. 700bilions have already been spent, we should sum the deficit Bush left (and in 2000 there was a surplus, if I recall correctly), this should surely weight on the shoulders of Obama or McCain, it will be a problem of the next administration, in short. Big spending is not a problem "per se", if the void you're creating in the balance can be filled somehow, aka if the deficit is not becoming the standard situation of the government. For the "redistribution of wealth", it would be good that those speculators who enriched themselves in the last years give back the money to the middle/lower class, but I don't see it happening.

7)And like with Carter and Ford, the problems were created in the previous administrations, not by these two guys.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 3:35 pm 
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RS Components wrote:
The Palin appointment was a very thinly veiled short term knee jerk reaction. It worked, for two days.

The tide is anti Bush, regardless of reason. The best thing the Republicans can do, is wade the next four years out, and re-asses what they electably stand for.

Something very similar has happened here in the UK with our conservative party.


1)Yes Pazilla was chosen on the edge of the emotions, she was supposed to give McCain what he doesn't have: youth, but it was a backfire.

2)Another guy who assumes that they have already lost!

3)Your conservatives were kicked out in...1997 if I recall correctly, and the labour, although they clearly suck, they're still in power and I don't see them defeated anytime soon.

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Listening to Obama and Palin speak is likd the difference between night and day. Palin sounds lost when attempting to articulate on several key, basic talking points, such as foreign affairs, the economy, supreme court justices, etc. Obama may lack experience, but he at least is educated on these issues. Palin's attack dog antics haven't gone over well, either.

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3)Your conservatives were kicked out in...1997 if I recall correctly, and the labour, although they clearly suck, they're still in power and I don't see them defeated anytime soon.


Our Conservatives were kicked out once Thatcherism lost it's steam. We then got a Labour government for the first time for two decades, with the face of "change". New Labour, trampled all over their core party values and became more right central than the Conservatives, who like the US Republicans, had lost sight of their values.

The time now is very different to that of the late 90s. I would seriously doubt Labour can hold onto power in the next general election. The Conservatives, suprisingly under Cameron, have actualy rallied and come across as having a very clear outlook on government, something Labour under Brown has lost.


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As an aside, and before I get accused of a phelching PI, are you based in Italy Alex?

What do you think of Berlusconi?

Italian politics are weird. It seems to me more about how many variety TV shows you can plaster your face on.


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Listening to Obama and Palin speak is likd the difference between night and day. Palin sounds lost when attempting to articulate on several key, basic talking points, such as foreign affairs, the economy, supreme court justices, etc. Obama may lack experience, but he at least is educated on these issues. Palin's attack dog antics haven't gone over well, either.


I'm long of the opinion that figure heads are always the fall guy for the guys behind the curtains. Some are better than others, but rarely are fully responsible for their administrative actions, only their defense.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:09 am 
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Style over substance is a drink the GOP has been imbibing for awhile now. It was practically the whole makeup of their eight year hate against Bill Clinton.

Problem with Obama, he ain't going to throw any "natural curves" that the GOP hit artists can knock out of the park.

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Problem with Obama is he's not saying anything of "substance" at all, just repeating "change".

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Funny, he has a whole slew of policy positions released. But you have to listen. You have to read. And you have to abandon the Republican party line about Obama that is CLEARLY NOT SELLING.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:47 am 
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Let's see all those policy positions, Junie.

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Alfie, being the web crawler with tons of spare time that you are, I'm sure you can find your own way to Obama's campaign web site. See for yourself.

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