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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:14 pm 
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At times Republican ideology is best for the country. At other times Democratic ideology is what we need, and I think now is one of them. At present, the Republicans have burned up any trust I had placed in them at the executive level, at least for now. Under Republican, or lack thereof, the commision has decreased penalty fines by 50% and let corruption run rampant. There is more than one way to skin a cat, and it's arrogance to think that either side has a monopoly on successful intervention.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 7:25 pm 
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Obama is proposing large increases in spending. History has shown that excessive spending has a negative effect on the economy. Obama will most likely make the economy worse.

It isn't a matter of dems vs. repubs. It's a matter of who's plan will help make the economic crisis better. Obama's plan won't work.

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At times Republican ideology is best for the country. At other times Democratic ideology is what we need, and I think now is one of them. At present, the Republicans have burned up any trust I had placed in them at the executive level, at least for now. Under Republican, or lack thereof, the commision has decreased penalty fines by 50% and let corruption run rampant. There is more than one way to skin a cat, and it's arrogance to think that either side has a monopoly on successful intervention.




Its well documented now that it was the dems who adamantly opposed the regulation and oversight that the reps and Bush called for. Its indisputable.

But WHY is the democratic ideology what we need? You haven't answered that. You just say I'm sick of Nacho Doritos, its time for some Pringles. What will the democratic ideology do to fix this cyclical economic downturn?

You know, Barney Fag(why is he still in office when he and his boyfriend ran a male prostitution ring out of his apartment? Because its not important when dems do it.) just today said that we shouldn't be worried about the deficit and deficit spending for a while. We need to spend more money. We can't raise taxes just yet because it would crush the economy. ADMITTING that raising taxes slows the economy! If it slows it now, it slows it whenever you do it. They know it but champion it anyway. Because they believe they can make socialism work if they just have ALL the money. Obama's policies are not the answer. Change in this case is not good.

Having said that I understand the frustration with reps. They have been beaten over the head for so long by the media telling them they have to move to the center. Move to the center. Move to the center to be liked and elected and not portrayed as the Gingrich that stole Christmas that too many believe it now. They stopped adhering to conservative economic principles so they failed to be effective. That's no excuse to go wacked out left. Unless you're banking on a conservative revolution after four years of the Obamination.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:45 pm 
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...into utilizing the same slimey character attacks that they used to smear McCain and his wife, which was nothing short of disgraceful. That along with becoming Bush's lap dog by almosting replicating Bush's voting record has lead me to believe that McCain has made a pact with the devil. Choosing the vitriol-spewing, ethic-abusing Palin, who screams out-her-league during debates and interviews over the economic guru, Romney, then made me doubt McCain's decision making skills as of late.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:46 pm 
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I feel the Republican party has violated my trust and exploited the stir of my emotions erupted by the 9/11 tragedy, charging us off to war in Iraq, resulting in the unnecessary death of 10s of 1000s, while the war on terror epicenter in Afghanistan and Pakistan is neglected. Our relations with once strong allies in Europe and elsewhere is straine b/c of this recklessness. McCain is a great man who has comprimised his moderate maverick convictions by letting Bush's former croonies persuade him..

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:09 am 
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[Sorry, page 1 & 2 of my reply are introverted]. Anyways, after eight years of the Bush administration and the Irapi War, which has lasted longer than WWII, and has derailed the war on terror, I, like so many Americans, some which are traditional Republicans, would rather have an inexperienced JFK-like candidate, who comes off as sincere, intelligent and POSITIVE than someone who has alligned himself a little too closely with the old guard of the Bush administration as of late.

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spiderr987 wrote:
I feel the Republican party has violated my trust and exploited the stir of my emotions erupted by the 9/11 tragedy, charging us off to war in Iraq, resulting in the unnecessary death of 10s of 1000s, while the epicenter war on terror in Afghanistan and Pakistan is neglected. Our relations with once strong allies in Europe and elsewhere is straine b/c of this recklessness.


Whoever said this I have no sympathy for them. In the beginning of all this, MANY people were thrust to the side while the ignorant herd raced forward making every farm noise known to man. Not only were people who were not in the herd marginalized, they were criminalized and sometimes even brutalized.

They most certainly were insulted, flamed, harassed, and bullied for their views that are EXACTLY what this person wrote above.

Personally, I am both offended and astonished at these people coming from the closet YEARS later "............. I was lied to" and "..........they led us astray" and "I don't trust them anymore..."

GUESS WHAT?

Keep your mouth shut - ALL OF YOU - and learn a lesson for next time. I would prefer if you just hung your head in shame - voiceless and stupified - and go CLUCK and BAHHH with the rest of your kind and leave the important things up to those with brains.

Oh, and renounce your right to vote. if you are truly serious that you frucked up, then acknowledge it not with words but by never pulling another lever EVER again in your lifetime. You're proven you can't handle it, so just do it (or not do it, rather).

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:37 am 
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...so, people that make mistakes and learn to not make them again should be doomed to be banished from the political process forever? If we really utilized such retarded logic, the nation's fate would be run by a minority, maybe even excluding yourself down the road, unless you're perfect, your highness. See isolationism and appeasement in the U.S. and England during WWII as a prime of example of good people making the wrong decision.

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Anything or nothing would have worked then. There was nowhere to go but up. Despite the media's constant doom scenario, the current situation is not even close to as bad. 40% of it is the induced psycology of panic. That helps get their socialist elected.


No.

From 1929 to 1933 the economy didn't work at all, and that was the proof that the system failed.

For the situation not being so bad, well, if Bush spent 700 bilions of dollars, and he always was against the intervention of the State in economy, this means that the system was on the edge of self-destruction.

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I thought his name was Kynes. :roll:


Isn't it ironic how some people define a economist a idiot and can't even speel his name correctly? :lol:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Maynard_Keynes

Bertrand Russell named Keynes the most intelligent person he had ever known, commenting, "Every time I argued with Keynes, I felt that I took my life in my hands, and I seldom emerged without feeling something of a fool."

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[Sorry, page 1 & 2 of my reply are introverted]. Anyways, after eight years of the Bush administration and the Irapi War, which has lasted longer than WWII, and has derailed the war on terror, I, like so many Americans, some which are traditional Republicans, would rather have an inexperienced JFK-like candidate, who comes off as sincere, intelligent and POSITIVE than someone who has alligned himself a little too closely with the old guard of the Bush administration as of late.



Ok Spidey, I get it, you're very mad at Bush. Still haven't answered WHY leftist socialist policies will fix our economy and why pulling out (whether going in was a poor decision or not) is responsible and appropriate. Again change is, in and of itself, not necessarily the right way to go.

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I thought his name was Kynes. :roll:


Isn't it ironic how some people define a economist a idiot and can't even speel his name correctly? :lol:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Maynard_Keynes

Bertrand Russell named Keynes the most intelligent person he had ever known, commenting, "Every time I argued with Keynes, I felt that I took my life in my hands, and I seldom emerged without feeling something of a fool."



Yes ironic, you spelled it Kynes. I was just messing with you.

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No.

From 1929 to 1933 the economy didn't work at all, and that was the proof that the system failed.




Correct. Way worse than now in every imaginable way.

The bailout is about seeing to it that everyone who bought a home they can't pay for doesn't lose it. Political primarily. Fixing a problem with the same mentality that caused the problem. Don't stop going down the wrong path, just find a way to make the wrong path less traumatic. Because making people live within their means is just not fair. Give them what they want no matter the cost. We can always redistribute more of the rich's money. That's what the goal was from the beginning anyway. Kruschev was right. They will take us without firing a shot.

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Lester wrote:
spiderr987 wrote:
[Sorry, page 1 & 2 of my reply are introverted]. Anyways, after eight years of the Bush administration and the Irapi War, which has lasted longer than WWII, and has derailed the war on terror, I, like so many Americans, some which are traditional Republicans, would rather have an inexperienced JFK-like candidate, who comes off as sincere, intelligent and POSITIVE than someone who has alligned himself a little too closely with the old guard of the Bush administration as of late.



Ok Spidey, I get it, you're very mad at Bush. Still haven't answered WHY leftist socialist policies will fix our economy and why pulling out (whether going in was a poor decision or not) is responsible and appropriate. Again change is in and of itself is not necessarily the right way to go.


I echo Spiderrs comments, as a viewer in on your election, it seems there are very few people left who like Bush, for various reasons. What I think is the most important aspect of an Obama president, is a positive change in mood within, and outside of America, for your economy, and foreign relations.

I sincerly doubt that the Democrats will enjoy much leverage in social spending over the next four years anyway, if anything, I predict we will see a lot of cuts as government tries to get the deficit and excessive borrowing back on managable terms.

If that is the Republicans outlook for the next four years is, "who wants to be in office right now?", no wonder McCain was pushed forward as a lame duck candidate.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:02 pm 
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Lester wrote:
Alex-Carl wrote:
No.

From 1929 to 1933 the economy didn't work at all, and that was the proof that the system failed.




Correct. Way worse than now in every imaginable way.

The bailout is about seeing to it that everyone who bought a home they can't pay for doesn't lose it. Political primarily. Fixing a problem with the same mentality that caused the problem. Don't stop going down the wrong path, just find a way to make the wrong path less traumatic. Because making people live within their means is just not fair. Give them what they want no matter the cost. We can always redistribute more of the rich's money. That's what the goal was from the beginning anyway. Kruschev was right. They will take us without firing a shot.


Looking back, there are very similar parallels to Thatchers "right to own" policy of the early eighties here in the UK. The theory being, to get more people on long term repayment schemes, ie a squeeze injection of money into the economy. The problem is, when house prices spiral out of control, due to excessive demand on too few properties, people have to stretch much further to get anything which is adequate to their needs.

There are reasons why the sub prime went bust, and it's not just banks being lax on giving out mortgages.


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