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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:16 pm 
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Decided that it would be easier to respond here rather than try to get noticed in the comments. I have no doubt I will receive snark, probably mixed with a number of strongly disagreeing comments, but there was a statement in one of Stallion's recent blog posts that I wanted to comment on:

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3. Speaking of The Onion, they’ve published a “voter’s guide to Mitt Romney” that I refuse to link to, as it includes one of the nastiest attacks on Mormonism I’ve seen in this campaign, complete with a completely out-of-context video snippet of Mormon temple ceremonies. It would be absurd to say that The Onion has “crossed a line,” since the charm of The Onion is that it ignores all such lines, but it’s unnerving to me, in our Book-of-Mormon-on-Broadway age, how comfortably and cavalierly people mock the faith of over 14 million people.


http://stallioncornell.com/?p=2135

Now, I would like to start by saying, for anyone unaware, that I am religious. While I think that its impossible for me to know for sure whether I'm right, I do hold certain religious beliefs. Specifically, I used to be Christian, but I'm now in the process of converting to paganism (I say "in the process" because I don't want to call myself "pagan" until I feel that I'm alot more knowledgeable than I am now).

So, here's my basic thought on the issue: 14 million people agreeing with you does not make you immune to criticism or even mockery. Nor does any number, no matter how large or small. When I was a Christian, I accepted that to a non-Christian, my beliefs would just sound fucking crazy, and they had every right to mock me as harshly as they wanted (hell, I frequently laughed at the jokes). Furthermore, when I decided that I was finally going to take the leap and go pagan, I did so with the full knowledge that it would mean far more mockery, since I was joining a far less popular group (along with the occasional accusations that I'm consorting with demons...so far I've only gotten one of those), that are usually seen as walking some sort of line between members of a religion, and psychiatric patients. However, once again, its your right to mock me.

Now, certainly if your mockery is inaccurate (for instance, saying that I believe I can throw fireballs, which is in no way, shape, or form something that I believe I am capable of doing), I can counter and tell you that you've misunderstood what I believe. However, I am not above criticism or mockery, as long as you respect the fact that I have the right to believe in and practice things that you think are silly. Hell, if you don't believe it, you SHOULD think its silly. If you didn't think it was silly, you'd believe it!

So, fundamentally, there is nothing wrong with Mormons being mocked for believing that God is a blond man on the planet Kolob. Nor with Christians (Mormons included) being mocked for believing that God became human and died on the cross for their sins. Nor me being mocked for believing that pixies live in my closet (...go ahead, Scooter, quote it...). Objectively, to any outsider of the religion, these are all completely insane things to believe, and should, rightfully, be mocked.


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 7:35 pm 
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Closet pixies aren't a big deal, it's those f-ing underpants gnomes that you have to watch out for.

And so what if you're into getting plowed by a demon Mus, go for it if that's your thing... there's a whole lot worse things that some people like getting plowed by. :shock:

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Plowing?

If I join teh Pagans, are there not female demons who need teh plowing?

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Guy_Montag wrote:
Plowing?

If I join teh Pagans, are there not female demons who need teh plowing?


...actually, I don't think we believe in demons...which is actually something that's confused the crap out of me, and is high on my list of things that I need to ask someone more knowledgeable than me to explain...why the hell do we believe in EVERY OTHER divine being from EVERY SINGLE RELIGION (Jesus included) as aspects of divinity...and yet somehow the Christian Devil is the one thing that doesn't actually exist in any way, shape or form...

See, if someone wanted to make fun of that for being a contradiction, I would actually be forced to admit "...yeah, kinda." And if they mocked me for it, they would be quite well validated in doing so.


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If there aren't any female demons, in need of teh plowing, then I'm not joining.

I was promised virgin female demons in need of teh plowing.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2012 8:25 pm 
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Guy_Montag wrote:
If there aren't any female demons, in need of teh plowing, then I'm not joining.

I was promised virgin female demons in need of teh plowing.


...we're not allowed to evangelize, so I'm pretty sure you're free to not join as you see fit.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:27 am 
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Guy_Montag wrote:
Plowing?

If I join teh Pagans, are there not female demons who need teh plowing?


NO, there are female demons, but with regards to humans, they too are the ones to do the plowing.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 13, 2012 7:55 pm 
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In connecting with the spirituality of all of nature, there are a lot of traditional ways to do it that honours and celebrates... and lots of them far more pleasant than dealing demons.. give me green willow over sulfur everytime

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If there are no Lady Demons wantig teh plowing, then I'm not interested.
What other reason is there for Dancing in the Grove?

Sir James Frazer promised me demon nymphs. I don't take kindly to
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 2:39 am 
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Start your own religion.. I'm sure the demons won't mind another opportunity to romp in the grove
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Sheila wrote:
Start your own religion.. I'm sure the demons won't mind another opportunity to romp in the grove
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Lady demons. Lady demons. Only Lady demons allowed.

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Yes.. and..

if you are going to give L Ron Hubbybub's little project a run for its money, you'll have to get a bit more structured.

Guilt is a good thing to play on... or some end of the world doomsaying??
Fee for service is required, if u are ever going to be rich as those you want to con into joining (and someone has to pay for the greenkeepers fees in the grove..)

Some neato attire, colour coded for rank, with the high priest having the coolest gear..

:-) Sheila

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Sheila wrote:
Yes.. and..

if you are going to give L Ron Hubbybub's little project a run for its money, you'll have to get a bit more structured.

Guilt is a good thing to play on... or some end of the world doomsaying??
Fee for service is required, if u are ever going to be rich as those you want to con into joining (and someone has to pay for the greenkeepers fees in the grove..)

Some neato attire, colour coded for rank, with the high priest having the coolest gear..

:-) Sheila


I considered life as a grifter, but the health benefits package was sub-par.
Although, I am considering writing a philosophy book: Philosophy With a Hammer!

It probably won't make the the NYT BR.

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Guy_Montag wrote:

I considered life as a grifter, but the health benefits package was sub-par.
Although, I am considering writing a philosophy book: Philosophy With a Hammer!

It probably won't make the the NYT BR.


No worries, you don't want to go mainstream, you want to go exclusive and rich!!


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